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  • UK Electoral Reform – Alternative Vote System
    s 3rd or 4th or 5th etc preferences so why complicate matters by allowing them to be inserted on the ballot paper Surely alternative implies just a choice of two as does the concept of having only a single transferable vote The AV system is used in Australia and does not lead to the extremist parties some fear Also I don t know why the Tories oppose it it is rather like the way they elect their leader In round one everyone votes for their first choice then the candidates with the fewest votes are eliminated and so on so those who voted for an eliminated candidate switch to their second choice the AV system does the same but in one ballot If it s good enough for MPs electing a Tory leader why isn t it good enough for the rest of us to elect a local representative as MP Reply to Comment Explain AV Voting System Michael Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System In answer imagine a standard Lab Tory two way fight seat But you are a Green So they go 1 on your list 2 for you is Lib Dem you hate both the main parties If you only listed 1 and 2 your vote would still be wasted in all probability But using all the separate numbers means you could vote SWP for 3 Independent for 4 Lab for 5 So you would be continuing to vote AGAINST Tory until the last possible stage If your 1 2 3 4 all get eliminated your vote will STILL prevent the Tory you don t want getting the seat Had you just had options 1 and 2 this would not have happened your vote would have disappeared Reply to Comment UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System ukhuman1st Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Hi Michael I see what you are saying but I m still unclear as to how all the different rankings of every voter are brought together to decide the winner In your example if the Green and Lib Dem candidates didn t get very many first votes and they were eliminated then your other preferences would be ignored I am not clear under what circumstances anyone would look at your 3rd place preference or 4th or 5th etc Also in some constituencies there might be more than a dozen candidates some very obscure are voters to be expected to rank them all in order of preference Reply to Comment UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Marc Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Silly idea I just say tha you keep parliament the same and convert the House of Lords into a representative upper house where number of seats directly represents the percentage of vote received That way the party that won the most constituency seats would have the most MPs but not necessarily control the upper house It s all about checks and balances Reply to Comment ukhuman1st Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Hi Marc The problem with that is that the House of Lords would then theoretically be far more democratic than the Commons which begs awkward questions of which House really has primacy Reply to Comment Reality Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Simple Divide the population into constituencies of 300 000 precisely Each political party can nominate up to 3 candidates to stand The people vote once for one only First 3 past the post get elected in The fairest voting system in the world It ain t gonna happen though Reply to Comment JimBo Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Amazing Brilliant I have had this idea in my head for some time I am glad to see that someone else has articulated it This takes care of both reform problems in one fell swoop 1 It reflects true proportionality in votes cast as opposed to the pseudo PR systems currently being discussed whilst still allowing for decisive governments to continue being formed from the Commons 2 It completes Lords reform elegantly although a small number of seats could still be appointed for the sake of tradition or concentrating expertise or to execute some of the un separated powers that might still reside in the Lords Go Marc Reply to Comment UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System George Comment on Preferential voting works here in Australia Preferential voting works here in Australia This system which we call Preferential voting works here in Australia and usually means that the winning party receives more than 50 of the Two Party Preferred Vote across the whole country or state If the electoral commission has done the job of adjusting electoral boundaries fairly that is Occasionally one party will win with around 48 of the 2PP vote as happened in South Australia this year but that sort of outcome is nothing in comparison with the unfairness of your system in the UK where a party can win with 36 of the vote The advantage of preferential voting is that you know that the winning candidate is always acceptable to more that 50 of the voters in a single electorate and the winning party is usually acceptable to more than 50 of all the voters across the country It certainly does not favour extremist parties The Conservatives may worry that all of the preferences from the Liberal democrats would transfer to the Labour Party In practice this will not happen Probably only 60 of the vote would transfer to Labour 40 would go the Conservatives The vote for independents and other parties would go where the voter stipulated Chances are that in the current election where Labour is on the nose the Conservatives would have won a significant victory using this system Non Labour voters are likely to preference Labour Based on the experience in Australia this system is far more favourable to the conservative parties than the Single Transferable vote or

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  • Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De-Veiling Request
    is trying to do this in Iraq morons they are as bad as you are when we pull out of Iraq hopefully you will pull out of the uk how about that fair lets call it a truce No one has the right to tell another country how to live it is their country their rule s this is why I apologise to you for us over there in the Muslim country our government is a puppet to the yanks If you want to stone your women slaughter your goats in the street make your wives cover up because you gave them a slapping last night Its your right sounds lovely over there not my cup of tea but I don t plan on going over Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request David Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Why resort to lowering the tone of the discussion by suggesting Caleb is a Muslim from Iraq and as an Iraqi Muslim shouldn t be living in England You sound like a typical BNP voter Since Caleb s my 13 year old son who I recently gave this website to he s more interested in politics than I am I m reasonably confident he s never been to Iraq certainly not born there as he was born in East Sussex and isn t Muslim not that that would be an issue for me He s one of the majority of the tolerant British born people who make this country such a great place to live I disagree with anyone being forced to wear anything for religious reasons but if a society bans something like the Burka when there are women who CHOOSE to wear it it makes that society no better than those who force women into wearing such an item Please explain how forcing a woman not to wear a Burka is better different than forcing a woman to wear a Burka David Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Caleb Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request ROFL John thinks I m a Muslim Caleb Reply to Comment notts Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request mp hollobone has a point we should be allowed to identify not just so we know the person under the burka but for legal perp if you wear a burka and you run a red light you first need to be identified that you was driving pretty hard with a mask on its not a religious aspect of it all in my view if i was to walk down the street in a hockey mask evently the police would stop me wondering why if i have no other equiptment hollobone can not support his people if he dont really know who hes talking to

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  • Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour?
    to Comment Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour Alex Comment on Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour Dave Tom you seem to remember the thatcher government well but seem to exclude the previous labour government who if i remember correclty more or less encouraged national strikes on a weekly basis meaning the whole country would come to a stand still the reason for the mass unemployment was because the country was in so much debt that if thatcher didnt sell any of our assets we would be a third world country by now heck our economy was basicly run by other countries as labour couldnt even add up and because of this debt there was no money to spend in the public sector schools NHS etc please let me know if you come up with a decent plan to spend money we dont have without borrowing oh and by the way the economy and public sector were both on the rise and had pretty much settled by the time tony and his lying bunch of labour miscreants came to power for the past 13 years labour have been riding off the good accounting skills of the previous conservative government and i think we need them now wouldnt you say considering this economic mess we re in Reply to Comment Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour Ancient Warrior Comment on Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour I had first hand experience of the Wilson Heath Callaghan years and one fact omitted from Labour propaganda is the destructive power of the unions during those years They did not fight for the working man they fought for political ideology It was the Conservatives who saved us from total destruction and debt in the eighties The electorate never learn they continue to believe the lies of a discredited Labour Government instead of listening to all the facts hence the mess we have today Reply to Comment Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour ian Comment on Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour I lived and worked under 18 years of Tory and Thatcher rule and i can assure you i did not feel saved as ancient warrior suggests it was a me me me society the NHS was destroyed as were most public services public utillities were flogged off to the French and money was all that counted Now that the undead have risen lets hope the LibDems have plenty of garlic and wooden stakes on hand to keep them in check Reply to Comment Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour Jane Comment on Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour Totally agree Labour should leave them to it I feel sad for Gordon Brown because I think he is a good man and I don t think there are that many good people in politics Unfortunately it s not being good that keeps you at the top With regards to the Conservative responses It has been identified that Scots who are in the social class that would normally vote Conservative do not because they care about those who are worse off than them and do not feel Conservatives policies benefit ALL It would appear that rich Southern Englanders only care about themselves Criticising past governments Labour or Conservative doesn t mean a thing it s the politicians representing us now that count and personally I wouldn t want David Cameron or Nick Clegg to be making decisions on our behalf They both appear as arrogant and too media focused and neither appear to have any depth It s all very well looking pretty in front of a camera but how will they respond in a crisis Reply to Comment Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour Alex Comment on Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour jane we are already in a crisis and brown and labour have put us there Reply to Comment Sylvia Comment on Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour So the Conservative voting public are Selfish B Well I think someone who is lamenting that they won t be able to buy a second home is also selfish and posssibly other adjectives come to mind as some people cannot afford one home even though they are working full time The whole economy is in a mess people shouldn t have to rely on tax credits etc to get a workable income which they can use for the necessities in life They shouldn t be paying tax in the first place if they need credits to survive but I suppose double accounting by the tax collectors keep more of them in employment Reply to Comment Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour David Comment on Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour I would say the majority not all of voter vote for selfish reasons they vote for what they think will benefit their and their families life most Maybe we could remove the core Green vote from the selfish bracket since they think they are trying to save the planet etc which can be seen as altruistic I technically don t vote selfishly if I did I d seriously consider voting Tory as they are more likely to not to take my hard earned money though seeing how the Tories ran the economy last time dragging the country as a whole down if you can t get it right in 18 years there s something wrong with your approach NOT voting Tory for me is also a selfish vote since I don t want complete morons like George Osborne as chancellor ruining an economy I rely on to perform well so I make more money So I do vote selfishly by voting Labour I don t think the Conservatives understand how an economy actually works as a whole They see an economy like a single business that if they

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  • Broken Britain, Broken Society and the BIG Society
    on him due to the risk of a hung parliament and possible future partnerships As immigration seems one of the biggest concerns today his amnesty for 600 000 illegal immigrants goes against the majority of what the population is thinking on top of that he will allow them to bring one additional family member making it 1 2 million of which 600 000 were illegal in the first place To become a fully fledged member of Europe would mean our taxes would now be propping up Greece look how annoyed the Germans are now Not forgetting his position on Nuclear weapon They are a deterrent If he allows Iraq to develop Nuclear technology what next Conservative Just not sure I believe all he says But honestly to my mind not as scary as the rest and the other parties crazy ideas Reply to Comment Broken Britain Broken Society and the BIG Society Mark Lees Comment on Broken Britain Broken Society and the BIG Society Labour and the Lib Dems share an ideology that the state should control and run everything At the moment approx 48 of the countries economy is dependant on the state That is clearly unsustainable because the state is requiring huge loans to keep up The only other way would be huge tax hikes which would reduce the amount of money to spend and reduce the private sector further increasing the burden on the state again We have to reduce the size of the state and do what we can to increase the private sector The party best equipped to do this is the Tories All other considerations should be put aside until the national debt is under control I also support the Tories plans to repair society It may not be completely broken but increasingly people are entering into a blame culture not taking responsibility for themselves People survive on benefits and complain they can t get a job because of their parents or school or the government It is that idea that needs to change Their may not always be jobs but very few people are entirely unemployable Somebody complained that the Tories are labelling all people out of work with the same brush by saying they are getting tough on people unwilling to work That simply isn t true They are saying they will cut benefits for people who turn paid work down If you are not offered a job you wil still recieve the benefits The only other benefit they are proposing is for people on high incomes which I don t think can be considered making the middle class richer as somebody else on here mentioned The Tories are always against it because their are such a huge number of people who would vote Labour even if Hitler was in charge but they are the party most likely to save us from the financial mess an overly large state as put us in Reply to Comment Broken Britain Broken Society and the

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  • General Election ITV1 Live TV Leaders Debate in Manchester
    the TV audience of 37 Also see the Second General Election SKY Live TV Leaders Debate in Bristol 3 responses to General Election ITV1 Live TV Leaders Debate in Manchester Previous 1 2 3 mia lonime Comment on General Election ITV1 Live TV Leaders Debate in Manchester what a JOKE lib democrats phshhh i would have thought the CONSERVATIVES would have been in the lead but the lib democrats i personally am rooting for labour simply because lib dem and conservatives are too gimicky to my taste i also think that we have nt really given gordan brown a chance to show what he can do yes we have been under a labour government for god knows how much years but we really have nt seen brown do his stuff Reply to Comment General Election ITV1 Live TV Leaders Debate in Manchester Nick Thombozi Comment on General Election ITV1 Live TV Leaders Debate in Manchester I want UK to stop acts of Imperialism with the US and work hard to solve problems affecting the world Iran should not be the Agenda in the next government but should strive to fighting for stability in the region Try to persuade Iran to recognize Israel right of existence and continue stop acts of Extremism among Arab States Increase Aid to Africa by cutting costs spent on Wra in the Middle East Reply to Comment Nick Thombozi Comment on General Election ITV1 Live TV Leaders Debate in Manchester I want UK to stop acts of Imperialism with the US and work hard to solve problems affecting the world Iran should not be the Agenda in the next government but should strive to fighting for stability in the region Try to persuade Iran to recognize Israel right of existence and continue stop acts of Extremism

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  • Election 2010 Conservative and Liberal Democrat Coalition Government
    all their decisions are based on political calculations designed to hold onto power and not on national interest I m with Kaitlyn top of the political reform agenda should be independence for Scotland Reply to Comment Election 2010 Conservative and Liberal Democrat Coalition Government ian Comment on Election 2010 Conservative and Liberal Democrat Coalition Government I agree with Sarah Scotland should be indipendant we should rebuild the wall then we will not have to bail out their bank with English money or subsidise every service they have if you had been indipendant during the financial crisis Greece would be lending you money Reply to Comment ian Comment on Election 2010 Conservative and Liberal Democrat Coalition Government I have voted LibDem for over 35 years because they seem to care about people and society After living and working under 18 years of Tory government i would never ever vote for them in a million years they proved themselves to be the most self centered hateful bunch of people i have ever come across Within 4 days the Liberals have betrayed everything i thought they stood for and for what a few measley seats in cabinet on inflated wages and their noses firmly in the trough I think they will regret supping with the devil for decades Reply to Comment Election 2010 Conservative and Liberal Democrat Coalition Government Willie Comment on Election 2010 Conservative and Liberal Democrat Coalition Government Your last comment is a bit rich given the one before it when was the last time the Liberals were in power Reply to Comment David Comment on Election 2010 Conservative and Liberal Democrat Coalition Government If you rule out a Labour Liberal Democrat rainbow coalition as a serious government it realistically wouldn t work long term you are left with a Conservative minority government propped up by the Lib Dems and others issue by issue or a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government or no government at all and another election Another election right now would be awful for the country the markets would be destabilised and there might be a run on the pound causing more economic problems A Conservative minority government though an idealistic choice for Liberal Democrat supporters would mean the Lib Dems get very little for their voters would they get electoral reform for example You get a referendum on the alternative vote which should result in more Lib Dem MPs IF the country votes yes to it I m a Labour voter but can see the best choice right now is a Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition Medium term I think it benefits Labour most because the coalition will be blamed for the austerity measures but if you only look on this from a perspective of having a working government that can make decisions then a Conservative Lib Dem coalition was the only good choice assuming they can play nice together Isn t this what Liberal Democrats want to show progressive politics can work If this coalition

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  • General Election BBC Live Prime Ministerial Debate in Birmingham
    on this website are showing a massive jump in the polls for the Lib Dems with some polls now showing the Lib Dems in the lead for the first time The live TV debates has thrown the general election wide open with the final debate on the Economy there s everything to play for 3rd General Election Live TV Leaders Debate Poll poll id 23 Poll will be open at 8 45pm during the live TV debate Below is the poll from the 2nd Live TV debate poll id 18 Below is the poll from the 1st Live TV debate poll id 20 1 responses to General Election BBC Live Prime Ministerial Debate in Birmingham Previous 1 2 3 Dave Lyford Comment on General Election BBC Live Prime Ministerial Debate in Birmingham Whats the difference I ve watched the debates with great interest but I think Labour will win hands down My reasoning is simple everyone I have spoken to even those who don t usually vote have said they will all vote Labour simply so David Cameron doesn t get in and that voting Lib Dem is pointless because they would never win so if the majority have adapted this attitude for voting then the conclusion is clear to me Me as one of those who don t usually bother voting I am still unclear what to do as my reason for not voting has been this and im sorry if it offends anyone if you work for a living you will be screwed no matter who gets in People complain about Job tax which is ridiculous I fall little under the threshold for it but my wife doesn t she is a teacher and they harp on about education how will that look People complain about it and they are voting for it People complain about David Cameron that he will get rid of minimum wage and all kinds of other things which I have not heard him actually say but he too will screw the public sector out of money Nick Clegg seems the best bet to me but looking at the detailed manifesto perhaps Britain won t get much better If nobody wants to vote for him though he won t win anyway So again you work your screwed Pensioners are being branded in poverty how I know many including my Grandmother who keeps saying that all they do is complain when they do perfectly well Plus being 28 almost will there be a state pension for me one day I don t think so therfor the poverty pensioners should shut up at this point as I will have to work until I am dead and why do they always increase the working age for men and not women Men die decades earlier usually Once again work your screwed Vote for Change I like this saying as it suits all the parties the change is what you have left in your pocket each month after getting

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  • General Election SKY Live TV Leaders Debate in Bristol
    Democrats Party 28 1 20 860 Votes UK Independence Party UKIP 5 31 3 939 Votes Green Party 3 74 2 773 Votes British National Party BNP 4 9 3 634 Votes Plaid Cymru Party 0 7 517 Votes Other Political Party 3 43 2 546 Votes NONE OF THE ABOVE 2 06 1 527 Votes Don t Know Floating Voter 4 68 3 476 Votes Total Voters 74 225 I took the snapshot at around 8 45pm so it was half way through the debate but no where near enough time for the actual debate to have a major impact on the election poll results We can now take these numbers as the starting point for how the nation are voting after the second TV debate For example right now just gone 1am so 4 or so hours later there s been a total of 75 799 which is an extra 1 574 votes Labour votes 284 18 04 Conservative votes 315 20 01 Lib Dems votes 701 44 54 UKIP votes 34 2 16 Green votes 22 1 40 BNP votes 143 9 09 Rest around 5 Looks like the BNP are in force on my site again Since adding the BNP back on the poll on Saturday 5 days ago the sites received over 1 000 visitors directly from right wing websites most from the BNP official site Before re adding the BNP to the poll I barely got any traffic from right wing sites during early April they stopped linking to the site The only domain to send more traffic for the entire month is Facebook with around 4 000 visitors that s over 23 days not 5 though Means probably half the BNP votes are not from organic traffic but due to campaigning by BNP supporters I have to admit they are good at it they link from the BNP websites comments randomly telling BNP supporters to come here and vote BNP Anyway Lib Dems are doing really well again will be interesting to see how they do by this time next week David Reply to Comment General Election SKY Live TV Leaders Debate in Bristol michael hobbis Comment on General Election SKY Live TV Leaders Debate in Bristol it s rather sad that so many can be deceived by visual presentation and style Clegg his policy is just the same as it ever was Reply to Comment David Comment on General Election SKY Live TV Leaders Debate in Bristol You can use the same argument for David Cameron if he wasn t so good at PR he d not be the Tory leader today He went from no where in the Tory leader vote to winning after ONE great speech to the Conservative Party Conference David Cameron has no substance if you are right about Nick Clegg the only LEADER we should vote for is Gordon Brown who has no charisma and is where he is today through hard work David Reply to Comment

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