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  • Preferential voting, works here in Australia
    Australia this year but that sort of outcome is nothing in comparison with the unfairness of your system in the UK where a party can win with 36 of the vote The advantage of preferential voting is that you know that the winning candidate is always acceptable to more that 50 of the voters in a single electorate and the winning party is usually acceptable to more than 50 of all the voters across the country It certainly does not favour extremist parties The Conservatives may worry that all of the preferences from the Liberal democrats would transfer to the Labour Party In practice this will not happen Probably only 60 of the vote would transfer to Labour 40 would go the Conservatives The vote for independents and other parties would go where the voter stipulated Chances are that in the current election where Labour is on the nose the Conservatives would have won a significant victory using this system Non Labour voters are likely to preference Labour Based on the experience in Australia this system is far more favourable to the conservative parties than the Single Transferable vote or Hare Clarke system which is employed in Tasmania and the ACT In those jurisdictions it favours the Labor Party and the Greens Popular Islamification of UK Far right political groups in the UK throughout Europe are Should Britain Leave the European Union Poll Found an interesting article on the BBC website http news bbc co uk 1 hi programmes the daily politics 7949104 stm from the Why I ll Never Vote Conservative at a General Election Political Parties Video UK General Election Hung Parliament Should the Government Ban the Islam4UK Wootton Bassett March Poll Halting Immigration Would be Economic Suicide for the UK Unite Against Fascism UAF BNP Immigration Proportional

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  • The AV system has worked extremely well for many years and many
    with his party s preference For each seat it results in the election of the candidate that the voters as an overall group dislike least surely an attitude that meets current mood of voters in the UK and it is a good method for getting rid of a sitting member if that were the wish of a majority of voters in this electorate In Australia where voting is compulsory everyone who votes must use Preferential Voting or the Alternative Vote if you will and you don t find Australians saying it is too hard to understand or to use If Australians can number their papers to indicate their preference among the candidates named on the ballot papers surely this will not be beyond people here in the UK Popular Islamification of UK Far right political groups in the UK throughout Europe are Should Britain Leave the European Union Poll Found an interesting article on the BBC website http news bbc co uk 1 hi programmes the daily politics 7949104 stm from the Why I ll Never Vote Conservative at a General Election Political Parties Video UK General Election Hung Parliament Should the Government Ban the Islam4UK Wootton Bassett March Poll

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  • Simple problem with this system: It is based on the assumption that
    them validated on screen then print off their ballot This can then be aggregated and either the first past the compiled post wins on the true non tactical preference of each voter in each constituency or any other number of leading preferential candidates selected Such a system renders tactical voting truly meaningless I regard people who preach tactical voting as being morally equivalent to people who encourage tax evasion If you can t allocate 100 points across 6 candidates then Labour s Education Education Education policies have clearly not worked More Comments by JimBo Proportional Representation The Single Transferable Vote Harry I on the other hand understand the basis of our parliamentary system it is parliamentary representation Let me explain When I cast my vote I was NOT voting for PM or for the whole nation I was voting for Continue Reading Proportional Representation The Single Transferable Vote Conservatives Win the 2010 General Election D M Evans You are the 1st person to put this snippet from Lady T in its proper context magnificent clarification I will never misuse that quote again You have genuinely educated me Continue Reading Conservatives Win the 2010 General Election Is the National Minimum Wage Safe Under a Conservative Government Poll Rachel You seemed to recognise Adolf Hitler rather quickly Is he your uncle Continue Reading Is the National Minimum Wage Safe Under a Conservative Government Poll Election 2010 George Osborne Chancellor of the Exchequer Ian Oh I see I m sorry for your loss Why not give these guys a bit of time after all this is the risk with hung parliaments Give politicians enough closed doors anyone can do a coalition Continue Reading Election 2010 George Osborne Chancellor of the Exchequer Election 2010 George Osborne Chancellor of the Exchequer Ian You are beginning

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  • I am pleased to see that the Australian-style Alternative Vote system is
    with as little as 30 of the total vote The AV system is far from radical If anything empirical studies show it tends to produce moderate or compromise candidates and parties In fact the system generally leads to the same result as in the FPTP system because there is a tendency for the second and third preferences to mirror the proportion preferences counted in the first round meaning that the candidate leading in the first round of counting generally tends to win at the end of the day even under the AV system The exception is where two or more ideologically similar candidates split the vote That s the beauty of the system It really only comes into play when it is needed the keep the minority for dominating the majority Popular Islamification of UK Far right political groups in the UK throughout Europe are Should Britain Leave the European Union Poll Found an interesting article on the BBC website http news bbc co uk 1 hi programmes the daily politics 7949104 stm from the Why I ll Never Vote Conservative at a General Election Political Parties Video UK General Election Hung Parliament Should the Government Ban the Islam4UK Wootton

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  • UK need not look as far as Australia for examples of workable
    the Mixed Member Proportional system which mixes single member constituencies with a top up of list MPs to make the party representation more proportional This sytem was originally divised by the US UK and France for post war W Germany and adopted by New Zealand in 1993 All of the UK are used to the list system used for MEPs so the people of the UK should have a referendum with these choices so that they and not the politicians can choose If no system has a majority then a runoff referendum would occur Popular Islamification of UK Far right political groups in the UK throughout Europe are Should Britain Leave the European Union Poll Found an interesting article on the BBC website http news bbc co uk 1 hi programmes the daily politics 7949104 stm from the Why I ll Never Vote Conservative at a General Election Political Parties Video UK General Election Hung Parliament Should the Government Ban the Islam4UK Wootton Bassett March Poll Halting Immigration Would be Economic Suicide for the UK Unite Against Fascism UAF BNP Immigration Proportional Representation The Single Transferable Vote 2010 General Election Results UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Tory MP Philip

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  • Now for something completely different! Reduce the number of constituencies to 500
    500 and the winner in each is the elected MP Allocate a further 100 seats in parliament in exact proportion to the nationwide percentage of the vote to be selected by the respective parties but ONLY from those candidates that finished second in their own ballot Not perfect but has the following positives a fairer balance to the overall result less wasted votes simplicity Popular Islamification of UK Far right political groups in the UK throughout Europe are Should Britain Leave the European Union Poll Found an interesting article on the BBC website http news bbc co uk 1 hi programmes the daily politics 7949104 stm from the Why I ll Never Vote Conservative at a General Election Political Parties Video UK General Election Hung Parliament Should the Government Ban the Islam4UK Wootton Bassett March Poll Halting Immigration Would be Economic Suicide for the UK Unite Against Fascism UAF BNP Immigration Proportional Representation The Single Transferable Vote 2010 General Election Results UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Election 2010 Conservative Minority Government Good for Labour Broken Britain Broken Society and the BIG Society Liberal Democrats to Win The

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  • UK Electoral Reform – Alternative Vote System
    s 3rd or 4th or 5th etc preferences so why complicate matters by allowing them to be inserted on the ballot paper Surely alternative implies just a choice of two as does the concept of having only a single transferable vote The AV system is used in Australia and does not lead to the extremist parties some fear Also I don t know why the Tories oppose it it is rather like the way they elect their leader In round one everyone votes for their first choice then the candidates with the fewest votes are eliminated and so on so those who voted for an eliminated candidate switch to their second choice the AV system does the same but in one ballot If it s good enough for MPs electing a Tory leader why isn t it good enough for the rest of us to elect a local representative as MP Reply to Comment Explain AV Voting System Michael Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System In answer imagine a standard Lab Tory two way fight seat But you are a Green So they go 1 on your list 2 for you is Lib Dem you hate both the main parties If you only listed 1 and 2 your vote would still be wasted in all probability But using all the separate numbers means you could vote SWP for 3 Independent for 4 Lab for 5 So you would be continuing to vote AGAINST Tory until the last possible stage If your 1 2 3 4 all get eliminated your vote will STILL prevent the Tory you don t want getting the seat Had you just had options 1 and 2 this would not have happened your vote would have disappeared Reply to Comment UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System ukhuman1st Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Hi Michael I see what you are saying but I m still unclear as to how all the different rankings of every voter are brought together to decide the winner In your example if the Green and Lib Dem candidates didn t get very many first votes and they were eliminated then your other preferences would be ignored I am not clear under what circumstances anyone would look at your 3rd place preference or 4th or 5th etc Also in some constituencies there might be more than a dozen candidates some very obscure are voters to be expected to rank them all in order of preference Reply to Comment UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Marc Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Silly idea I just say tha you keep parliament the same and convert the House of Lords into a representative upper house where number of seats directly represents the percentage of vote received That way the party that won the most constituency seats would have the most MPs but not necessarily control the upper house It s all about checks and balances Reply to Comment ukhuman1st Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Hi Marc The problem with that is that the House of Lords would then theoretically be far more democratic than the Commons which begs awkward questions of which House really has primacy Reply to Comment Reality Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Simple Divide the population into constituencies of 300 000 precisely Each political party can nominate up to 3 candidates to stand The people vote once for one only First 3 past the post get elected in The fairest voting system in the world It ain t gonna happen though Reply to Comment JimBo Comment on UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System Amazing Brilliant I have had this idea in my head for some time I am glad to see that someone else has articulated it This takes care of both reform problems in one fell swoop 1 It reflects true proportionality in votes cast as opposed to the pseudo PR systems currently being discussed whilst still allowing for decisive governments to continue being formed from the Commons 2 It completes Lords reform elegantly although a small number of seats could still be appointed for the sake of tradition or concentrating expertise or to execute some of the un separated powers that might still reside in the Lords Go Marc Reply to Comment UK Electoral Reform Alternative Vote System George Comment on Preferential voting works here in Australia Preferential voting works here in Australia This system which we call Preferential voting works here in Australia and usually means that the winning party receives more than 50 of the Two Party Preferred Vote across the whole country or state If the electoral commission has done the job of adjusting electoral boundaries fairly that is Occasionally one party will win with around 48 of the 2PP vote as happened in South Australia this year but that sort of outcome is nothing in comparison with the unfairness of your system in the UK where a party can win with 36 of the vote The advantage of preferential voting is that you know that the winning candidate is always acceptable to more that 50 of the voters in a single electorate and the winning party is usually acceptable to more than 50 of all the voters across the country It certainly does not favour extremist parties The Conservatives may worry that all of the preferences from the Liberal democrats would transfer to the Labour Party In practice this will not happen Probably only 60 of the vote would transfer to Labour 40 would go the Conservatives The vote for independents and other parties would go where the voter stipulated Chances are that in the current election where Labour is on the nose the Conservatives would have won a significant victory using this system Non Labour voters are likely to preference Labour Based on the experience in Australia this system is far more favourable to the conservative parties than the Single Transferable vote or

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  • Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De-Veiling Request
    string of bank robberies or terrorist acts performed by veil wearing woman If there s a good reason for banning something like genital mutilation which occurs in some countries around the world then absolutely ban it but a Burka does not fall into that category You can not ban a veil because you don t like it Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Caleb Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request You have twisted my words John Wickham I did not imply that England is like Mars I said you act as if immigrants are from Mars No John your not English to be English is to be tolerant You say that basically it is weak to not kick immigrants out of Britain immigrants that deserve to be in this country but John your weak you can t face that it is you who hates Burqa for no reason and you know there s no point to ban it except you hate Muslims The rest of the post is mindless racist babble and I have no comment on that because basically as I said it s mindless racist babble Caleb Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Jon Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Some time ago I was in a Bank in London There was a woman well I think it was a woman in a Burka working on a cash counter behind a screen when in walked a Motorcycle despatch rider wearing a full face helmet He was ordered to take it off He said why should I take it off To this the Manager of the bank said it s for security reasons The biker said if she he takes off their Burka then I will remove my helmet The manager replied it s her religion The Biker replied it s my fckin religion too I am a Hells Angel The Manager was lost for words The bank went silent for a couple of minutes and the people in the bank said to the Biker good for you We need to stand up to what is going on around us This was a true story Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Simon Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Once upon a time in a land far far away there lived Reply to Comment Jon Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Try walking in to a shopping centre or any public building wearing a helmet or other and you will be stopped from entering How do Muslims get in wearing a Burka This says Double Standards to me May be we should have a demonstration Bikers wearing helmets to parade round shopping centres and public buildings in protest The Burka does not belong here in the UK and neither do the Mosques Jon Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request john wickham Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Please let me clarify things from an English Perspective that s English any colour Your country is like your house home only bigger Your inheritance is the social system nhs and prosperity that family father grandfather has left you You don t want to give your neighbour all your house keeping the food out of your shelves or your hard earnt goodies that daddy worked so hard and died for Neither do you want your brother family member or mates to sit next to you in a balaclava this forms distrust and is just strange not normal in the uk You trust your fellow house mates and family members to watch your back you would watch theirs If they were a toe rag and not part of your house structure you did not trust them you would kick them out on the street Especially if they had another home to go to overseas Regardless of his colour I speak for myself in this All are welcome chip in the pot get some back Play by our rules enjoy the freedom be part of our society don t bring yours here we made this freedom if you don t want that society you can get cheap plane tickets to a place where they are all like you Any colour welcome just be a good citizen and take the mask off Our you will make more people put white ones on And no one wants that not even me Being English is an attitude not a colour take off the mask Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Caleb Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Let me Simplify this for You John It is not a Halloween mask it s not fancy dress it is their religion their life they have spent years devoting their life to religion and to have some stupid insecure person to tell them to take it off is extremely offensive Who cares if you can t see their face you can t see someone during a phone call letter yet the world keeps going round this is just a petty argument from an insecure set of people Caleb Reply to Comment Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request john wickham Comment on Tory MP Philip Hollobone May Face Criminal Prosecution Over De Veiling Request Well It is pointless to talk if the person you are talking to does not listen to anyone except their own voice I will not comment any more as I can tell your not listening I hope all the

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