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  • Mindfulmoney Have A Semi-Retraction Of Their Attack On Hpc - Page 2 - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    joke http www telegraph t a trader html Stop the sheepling Back to top 23 Blizzard Blizzard HPC Veteran Members 2 315 posts Posted 27 September 2011 10 52 PM There are two kinds of people people who think high house prices are good and people who understand basic economics Current high prices are good because They help avoid negative equity where loans are higher than the property s value This can prevent people moving for a new job or to accommodate a larger family as well as preventing losses to lenders They provide economic and social stability plunging house prices prevent people moving and can lead as in the United States to areas where no one buys because they are waiting for a cheaper tomorrow Many wish to use the equity in their homes or buy to lets as a replacement for otherwise poor retirement pension prospects so they need high values Negative equity a phenomena associated with housing booms is in fact caused by bank lending policies It doesn t affect cars or televisions or other things people borrow to buy These things are never worth the value of the loan secured against them Clearly there is no reason for banks not to allow people in negative equity to swap houses but they don t Certainly this isn t an argument against falling house prices any more than it is an argument against falling car prices Computers get cheaper and better every single year and yet people still buy computers People buy homes to live in they are consumables I d like to own slaves should society oblige me No Economically in the real world of grown ups falling house prices are an absolutely unambiguously good thing Falling prices are the entire point of capitalism The opposite where prices can be raised to benefit special interest groups is monopolism which is illiegal for most assets but not housing Why do people tolerate economic commentary from people who have never studied economics in their entire lives And why do such people feel able to write these things in the first place Do they write about open heart surgery Do they jump onto the pitch during FA cup games in order to help out the players Edited by Blizzard 27 September 2011 10 55 PM As soon as the land of any country has all become private property the landlords like all other men love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce The wood of the forest the grass of the field and all the natural fruits of the earth which when land was in common cost the labourer only the trouble of gathering them come even to him to have an additional price fixed upon them He must then pay for the licence to gather them and must give up to the landlord a portion of what his labour either collects or produces This portion or what comes to the same thing the price of this portion constitutes the rent of land Adam Smith The Wealth of Nations 17 Back to top 24 billybong billybong I live on HPC Members 13 214 posts Posted 27 September 2011 11 30 PM The article in the comparison of the benefits of low house prices versus high house prices didn t give space to the role of house prices within the general economy and the way that huge debt and high house prices have helped to make the UK and it s labour force uncompetitive both at home and abroad and helped in offshoring jobs etc How the money directed into housing was in large part very much at the expense of pension funds Decent pension funds would have meant less need for housing equity on retirement Malinvestment in housing has meant far less investment in UK industry and if that hadn t happened the UK would be several steps forward towards a decent traded sector that politicians are now going on about That was understood in the 80s when house prices multiples were lower than now and that was well publicised at the time and the economy partly rebalanced towards the traded sector before doing the U turn towards housing again and now the UK is perhaps about to do another U turn or so they say Edited by billybong 27 September 2011 11 47 PM Back to top 25 GordonBrownSpentMyFuture GordonBrownSpentMyFuture HPC Veteran Members 1 895 posts Location West Midlands Posted 28 September 2011 06 58 AM From the article What is all this talk of cashing in I don t hold any chips I just want to be able to buy a house that isn t 5x my fake income Back to top 26 GordonBrownSpentMyFuture GordonBrownSpentMyFuture HPC Veteran Members 1 895 posts Location West Midlands Posted 28 September 2011 07 00 AM To join the dots http www housepric dpost p 3125314 Previously on House Price Crash Back to top 27 GordonBrownSpentMyFuture GordonBrownSpentMyFuture HPC Veteran Members 1 895 posts Location West Midlands Posted 28 September 2011 07 09 AM The article in the comparison of the benefits of low house prices versus high house prices didn t give space to the role of house prices within the general economy and the way that huge debt and high house prices have helped to make the UK and it s labour force uncompetitive both at home and abroad and helped in offshoring jobs etc How the money directed into housing was in large part very much at the expense of pension funds Decent pension funds would have meant less need for housing equity on retirement Malinvestment in housing has meant far less investment in UK industry and if that hadn t happened the UK would be several steps forward towards a decent traded sector that politicians are now going on about That was understood in the 80s when house prices multiples were lower than now and that was well publicised at the time

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  • Show Of Hands Arrogance, Ignorance And Greed - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    Greed Started by WageSlaveBear Jan 31 2012 07 43 PM Please log in to reply No replies to this topic 1 WageSlaveBear WageSlaveBear HPC Poster New Members 66 posts Posted 31 January 2012 07 43 PM OK this may be old but I ve just found it Says it all for me Back to top Back to housepricecrash co uk in the media 1 user s are reading this topic

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  • Inside The 'house Price Crash' Community - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    want affordable housing Have some sympathy for the boomers and BTL ers please I believe comments are allowed Back to top 2 RichB RichB HPC Guru Members 6 064 posts Location London Posted 22 September 2011 09 59 AM F them They had no empathy for anyone sensible who stayed out braying about how much more they were worth every 6 months and now they want us to pay for their mistakes to them Back to top 3 interestrateripoff interestrateripoff Carry on banking Members 55 576 posts Location Ponzi Land Posted 22 September 2011 10 02 AM I like how they ignore the wider implications and that we are just focussed on house prices Proof that Brown had repeated IMF OECD BIS warnings over house prices and did nothing Looting The Economic Underworld Of Bankruptcy For Profit The exponential growth of debt and the unsustainability of debt The logic of HPI 10 YoY means your 100k house would be worth 1 38bn in 100 years Paying down my mortgage with money found on the street It s time to sue the Bank of England Federal Reserve for GROSS NEGLIGENCE If DEBT is the problem REPAYMENT is the solution or you default The trouble with the world was that prices were so low that only the rich people could buy and the aim of the Conference was to raise them to a point where it would again be possible for poor people to buy something Northern unemployment is an acceptable price to pay for curbing southern inflation Eddie George former Governor of the Bank of England New digest on the credit crisis and economy Part2 Part 3 Back to top 4 richc richc HPC Veteran Members 1 925 posts Location London Posted 22 September 2011 10 02 AM This outfit is a PR front for the banks The Social Business Group is the publisher of Mindful Money a Social News and Knowledge Network for the investment community created in conjunction with HSBC Henderson and Schroders Back to top 5 newbie newbie HPC Veteran Members 1 617 posts Posted 22 September 2011 10 07 AM People losing their homes because they can t afford to repay the mortgage Families trapped in properties no longer big enough for them because they re in negative equity Homeowners paying higher mortgage rates when it comes to remortgaging because their loan to value has increased Obviously the government must increase taxes and use them to set up special schemes to prevent the above from happening A special save our homes tax that strategically targets renters would be the best solution Back to top 6 I want a house I want a house HPC Veteran Members 1 125 posts Location London Posted 22 September 2011 10 08 AM They generalised too much there For the author of that trash I own a 3 bed house in London I still believe house prices are over inflated and am not on the bread line in fact I have more

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  • Inside The 'house Price Crash' Community - Page 2 - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    on like this is busting the country i hope they bulldoze the planning laws into the soil and begin a huge program of affordable houses if not this country will NEVER recover from this and all those nimbys will soon be fleeing the country take that flag down i am boethius author of the consolation of philosophy it is my belief that fortune is a wheel inconstancy is my very essence says the wheel rise up on my spokes if you like but dont complain when your cast back down into the depths good times pass away but then so do the bad mutability is our tragedy but its also our hope the worst of the times like the best are always passing away Back to top 22 Solitaire Solitaire HPC Veteran Members 1 468 posts Posted 22 September 2011 10 49 AM I think the author has been a bit selective about whom he s chosen to castigate and hasn t given a balanced view of the contributors to this site I m a Home Owner emphasis for his benefit not yours so I m alright Jack but most certainly the upcoming generations will not be without a real house price correction He looking from a very narrow point of view and isn t considering the wider implications not only for the individual but the economy as whole My reason for having been here for the past 6 years even though I OWN MY OWN HOME is for my son younger members of the family and their friends who haven t got a hope in hell of buying or saving for their own home with the high cost of rents and living expenses these days If things continue the way they are their last gasp of hope will be that they will inherit from their parents but I expect TPTB will find a way of relieving them of that as well I ll save my sympathy for them and all the other young people who may never get a look in rather than those feckless credit card junkies and greedy speculators who borrowed way beyond their means and should now be crying their tears of self pity as the banks foreclose but hey as usual the market is fixed Edited by Solitaire 22 September 2011 10 49 AM Back to top 23 Peter Hun Peter Hun HPC Veteran Members 2 579 posts Location London UK Posted 22 September 2011 10 54 AM F them They had no empathy for anyone sensible who stayed out braying about how much more they were worth every 6 months and now they want us to pay for their mistakes to them Well said Back to top 24 tricksters tricksters HPC Regular New Members 852 posts Posted 22 September 2011 11 05 AM i hope they bulldoze the planning laws into the soil and begin a huge program of affordable houses take that flag down Forget it The government have absolutely no intention of

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  • Inside The 'house Price Crash' Community - Page 3 - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    of that site who can be turned though no they cant its a case of if you own a house already your against it if you havent your for it the thing in question is called fairness i am boethius author of the consolation of philosophy it is my belief that fortune is a wheel inconstancy is my very essence says the wheel rise up on my spokes if you like but dont complain when your cast back down into the depths good times pass away but then so do the bad mutability is our tragedy but its also our hope the worst of the times like the best are always passing away Back to top 37 South Lorne South Lorne I live on HPC Members 11 797 posts Location Cheshire Posted 22 September 2011 12 27 PM http www mindfulmoney co uk Check out the homepage on the right hand side check out the readers comments the blog is being trashed because it is trash The market goes up The market goes down It is all about timing unless it s rigged Back to top 38 worried1 worried1 HPC Veteran Members 2 188 posts Posted 22 September 2011 12 29 PM Utter nonsense Yes people on this site would like house prices to be lower but that s not all The topics on economics and politics are always interesting and anyone putting forward an argument on any subject can expect to be pretty well grilled on it from both the left and the right Yes most people find it amusing when someone can t get 1 Million pounds for their mock Georgian McMansion in Essex but I find that usually there is a lot of sympathy for the families of the greedy naive people who overborrowed and now can t sell for less Generally the HPC guns are pointed at the system and the various shills and con artists who make it and not its victims I agree I have been reading this site since 2004 despite registering and starting to post later than that In the early days a lot of the threads were ridiculous It was a bit quiet on the High Street on Saturday so we can expect a 50 HPC next week etc and they outweighed a lot of the sensible debate that went on I didn t refer anyone to the site in those days because it seemed a bit embarrasing Now it is different The silly threads still exist but are massively outweighed by the sensible ones I have found it an invaluable source of information as to how we got into this state in the first place The problem is that HPC will remain an easy target for this type of media The site has been predicting a massive imminent correction in prices since 2003 when actual prices have almost doubled in a lot of areas in that time That still doesn t mean we are wrong though Back to top 39

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  • Inside The 'house Price Crash' Community - Page 7 - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    much less purchasing power It s total bank ponzi Pay miles more for a house have much more debt to service a lower standard of living by having to work more hours and less disposable income then even when you sell the s are worth so much less Meanwhile bankers take your s each year on the mortgage and can spend them while they are still worth something Democorruptcy If you say Democorruptcy quickly it sounds a bit like Democracy In a Democracy people vote for politicians who represent their interests In the UK s Democorruptcy people can only vote for expense fiddling thieving MPs who are in the hip pocket of big business and the finance sector Governbankment A Governbankment is a Government like ours that has no line between itself and banks It diverts public money our taxes to private companies banks George Osborne s Help to Buy Bail Banks promises our taxes will go to bankers to cover their losses on mortgages that default The more houses cost the more hours you have to work to buy one The more hours you work the more taxes you have to pay the Governbankment The more debt you take on and the longer the mortgage term the more interest you have to pay bankers so the more hours you also have to work for them House were cheap when people did mortgages at 3x main income for a whole house Now banks encourage them to do 4 5x joint income often for only a share of a house the houses cost a lot more House prices are all about people s appetite for lending If it is asserted that civilization is a real advance in the condition of man and I think that it is though only the wise improve their advantages it must be shown that it has produced better dwellings without making them more costly and the cost of a thing is the amount of what I will call life which is required to be exchanged for it immediately or in the long run http classiclit ab en Part 2 4 htm Back to top 95 hotairmail hotairmail Tired of life Members 33 979 posts Posted 23 September 2011 02 11 PM Amusingly todays topic is how to cash in on stock market falls Oh the Irony That is very funny Schrodinger s cat How to hold two diametrically opposed thoughts as inalienable truths at one and the same time T ssers Hotairmail s limited trading advice Always remember it is until it isn t Things can turn on a sixpence And don t try to will the impossible line It will frazzle your brain and you ll make mistakes Things aren t what they seem How on earth can you know You certainly can t time reactions using macro But you can use macro to decide on overall conditions and trade accordingly Back to top 96 Redcellar Redcellar HPC Veteran Members 2 804 posts Location Overseas

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  • Hpc Included In British Library Uk Web Archive Project - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    bombed out consumed planet They won t succeed with such cynicism from the outset Back to top 3 Mikhail Liebenstein Mikhail Liebenstein HPC Guru Members 6 337 posts Location Dorking Posted 21 August 2010 06 47 PM Fame at last http www webarchiv urce collection But not the forum Surely that is the most useful historic bit Back to top 4 Frank Hovis Frank Hovis 4 warning points Members 15 990 posts Location SW Posted 21 August 2010 06 48 PM I really hope they don t start archiving the off topic forum What kind of legacy is that to leave the alien race that inherits our bombed out consumed planet They won t succeed with such cynicism from the outset It s all there http www webarchiv hp showforum 15 High house prices wrecking economies worldwide since 2003 Back to top 5 Pope Benedict XVI Pope Benedict XVI HPC Poster Members 84 posts Posted 21 August 2010 06 49 PM wow scary to think that future generations will look at this site and think of the internet warriors who kept the faith in the House price crash Now retired Back to top 6 hotairmail hotairmail Tired of life Members 33 979 posts Posted 07 October 2010 12 44 PM It s all there http www webarchiv hp showforum 15 lol excellent I can imagine the PhD projects of the future EDIT So does that mean all those people who keep threatening to sue hpc if they don t delete everything actually have all their stuff saved in the National Archive Edited by hotairmail 07 October 2010 12 45 PM Hotairmail s limited trading advice Always remember it is until it isn t Things can turn on a sixpence And don t try to will the impossible line It will

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  • Housepricecrash.co.uk Mentioned In Ian Cowie Telegraph Article - housepricecrash.co.uk in the media - House Price Crash forum
    they can t afford to Utterly pathetic and corrupt 95 of the UK population it seems But if interest rates and unemployment rise won t that happen to many home owners That s what a house price crash will mean The last time in the early nineties people were getting kicked out of their homes and there were a number of people sleeping rough as a result It is puzzling that property has doubled in value in the last ten years yet shares are at about the same level and wages have only risen moderately The only thing propping the market up is the low interest rates which are preventing forced sales Back to top 8 w w HPC Guru Members 6 714 posts Location Fulham London Posted 04 May 2011 10 56 AM It wasn t that long ago that Cowie was writing about how wonderful it was that homeowners had a unique opportunity to enjoy tax free profits not that exact working What he didn t mention is that the profit is at the expense of other peoples debt Cowie is a dyed in the wool homeownerist now pretending having made his personal profit at the expense of the next generation that he somehow gets it Even so he didn t have to put a link to this site or even mention it When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it Frederic Bastiat Back to top 9 koala bear koala bear HPC Veteran Members 1 841 posts Posted 04 May 2011 11 17 AM Even so he didn t have to put a link to this site or even mention it Exactly Cowie didn t have to mention or link HPC it had an article about 2 months ago with the words house price crash in the headline too He is the closest hpc will get to a friend the the MSM He is one of the few personal financial journalists to have been writing about it last time round so he knows what is coming I suspect his kids will be in their 20s and looking to get a home soon so he has a bit of self interest in seeing sensible prices Back to top 10 Fishbone Glover Fishbone Glover HPC Regular Members 733 posts Posted 04 May 2011 11 48 AM I m rather disappointed that we got a MSM mention without being called TFHers anarchists baby eaters or somesuch Is this place losing it s edge Or is the rest of the country moving towards our edge I hate to say it but I think we re slowly becoming mainstream If you don t like slave labour visit http www boycottworkfare org Cut bankers benefits not public services http www onegoodcut org The truth about the insidious nature of Political Correctness Back to top

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